Talkin’ Nerdy: 10 Things We DON’T Want to See in the Next Fantastic Four Movie

It's Bombin' Time!

It’s Bombin’ Time!

With their latest Fantastic Four reboot (hereinafter referred to as “Fant4stic”), 20th Century Fox was attempting to make a new comic book movie franchise. Instead, they seemed to have created a new species: the Tank-a-Saurus.

Why can’t anybody make a good Fantastic Four movie? Is it really that hard? The elements for success are all there; why is it that every time this team hits the big screen, it turns into turd? Since it doesn’t look like there’s going to be a sequel to this movie, nay, we probably won’t be getting anything else Fantastic Four related for at least another 5 years, we at Twinsanity would like to offer to any Hollywood movie moguls who may consider rebooting this property yet again:

10 THINGS WE DON’T WANT TO SEE IN THE NEXT FANTASTIC FOUR MOVIE

  1. We don’t want to see the origin story again.

Seriously. By now there are as yet undiscovered tribes in the heart of the Peruvian jungle who know how the Fantastic Four got their powers. How about for a nice change of pace we start the next F4 movie with the team already established as famous adventurers, and they only briefly reference their back story for a 5-minute flashback sequence? We’d greatly appreciate that.

2. We don’t want the team to be Millenials.

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Stop making the F4 a teen team. For the next go-round, we’d like to get an adult Reed Richards, white temples and all, an adult Sue Storm-Richards (who’s married to Reed), an adult Ben Grimm and a teenage (or college age) Johnny Storm. The Fantastic Four don’t always have to represent the Pepsi Generation.

3. We don’t want them to be portrayed as superheroes.

A commenting poster on the interwebz recently referred to the Fantastic Four as their “least favorite superhero team”. That’s incorrect on 2 counts: 1) because they are in fact awesome and 2) they’re not superheroes. This tends to get glossed over, but the F4 are not, in fact, superheroes; they’re explorers and adventurers. Have you ever seen the F4 chasing down bank robbers? No, because that’s not what they do. They unravel the mysteries of the universe, further science and progress and explore the unknown, usually leading to expeditions into space and weirdo dimensions. One of the reasons why Guardians of the Galaxy did so well was because it was off-center from the norm, it wasn’t a traditional superhero flick with caped good guys smacking down criminals in a cityscape. A new Fantastic Four movie should take a similar approach. We’d do it like Jonny Quest with superpowers.

4. We don’t want Dr. Doom to be the villain.

“Now you face Doom…again!”

Come on, filmmakers. We’ve seen the team battle Dr. Doom. Thrice. Yeah, Doom is their greatest foe and all that good stuff, but he’s not the only member of the F4’s rogues’ gallery. Have them take on the Mole Man, Annihilus, the Wizard, Klaw, Psycho-Man, the Mad Thinker, the Sub-Mariner, the Kool-Aid Man. Somebody else. Anybody else!

5. We don’t want interracial Storms.

Let’s be clear: we have absolutely no problem with interracial families or people who adopt children of different races, and we likewise had no issue with an African-American actor being cast as Johnny Storm. But we say if you’re going to make 1 of the Storms African-American, then you might as well make both of them African-American. It just seemed as though the producers of Fant4stic wanted to eat their cake and have it too; they wanted to have a black guy on the team for racial balance while keeping Hollywood’s pretty white girl quotient intact. ‘Cause of course Reed Richards couldn’t  be romantically be involved with a woman of color. The leading lady of a movie couldn’t possibly be African-American! Oh no, no, no! Seriously, if we can have a white Ben Grimm dating a black Alicia Masters without everybody going nuts, then we shouldn’t have any problem with a Caucasian Reed Richards involved with an African-American Susan Storm.

6. We don’t want Reed and Sue to “just like” each other.

Reed & Sue

This kind of ties into #2. So far, every cinematic depiction of the F4 chooses to start very early in Reed and Sue’s relationship, as if the very idea of a happily married couple of adult superheroes somehow makes for lame cinema. There are 2 words that counter that: One of them is The and the other is Incredibles. We’d like to see the next F4 flick start with Sue and Reed already married and having been married for some time; this way the romance is kept low-key and drama-free. Heck, just for the sake of variety, why not add their kids Franklin and Valeria Richards to the next film, since they’ve never been depicted on the big screen as of yet? That would help reinforce how in love Sue and Reed are by showing us how ‘biz-zay’ they’ve been getting.

Kid characters can work, provided they're not cast as Annoying Kid Characters Who Try To 'Help' The Heroes But Are Just Gratingly Annoying (see Spritle, Wendy & Marvin, Zack the 5th Ninja Turtle and Scott Tracker). Just keep their roles minimal, keep them young kids and don't make them ridiculously powerful. None of that 'Franklin is a god who can create pocket universes and Galactus becomes his herald' BS.

Kid characters can work, provided they’re not cast as Annoying Kid Sidekicks Who Try To ‘Help’ The Heroes But Are Just Gratingly Annoying (see Spritle, Wendy & Marvin, Zack the 5th Ninja Turtle and Scott Tracker). Just keep their roles minimal, keep them young kids and don’t make them ridiculously powerful. None of that ‘Franklin is a god who can create pocket universes and Galactus becomes his herald’ BS.

7. We don’t want them to not have an HQ.

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This also ties into #2. Since all the movies up to this point have portrayed the team as “Do the Dew” Millemials, they never have their own base of operations as the films always take place very early in the team’s careers. Since as previously stated we’d prefer to see the F4 as already established and famous super-adventurers, we’d like to see the Four Freedoms Plaza show up in the movies. All 100 floors, the hangar for the Fantasticar, the Negative Zone portal, Reed’s lab, the observatory, Roberta the robot receptionist, the ‘4’ insignia plastered on everything, all of it. Heck, we’d even be OK with H.E.R.B.I.E. the robot showing up, as long as he’d be kept in the background and wasn’t elevated to post-Q5 Slimer status.

8. We don’t want the black jumpsuits.

Those wack black jumpsuit things the team wore in Fant4stic were indicative of everything that was wrong with that film. They were trying too hard to make the movie grounded and serious, and the Fantastic Four was never meant to be grounded or serious. The F4 is about crazy science and wacky World of Tomorrow technology, and the team’s outfits should reflect that.

Stylin'!

Stylin’!

We want the garish bright blue costumes with the ‘4’ logo adorning them. Speaking of clothes…

9. We don’t want the Thing to be naked.

To their credit, Fant4stic got the look of the Thing pretty good, but did he really have to go around starkers?! We don’t know whether or not the Thing has a thing, but in any event we don’t want to see it. Personally, we’d prefer if Ben wore a shirt…

You can tell he's been to the gym.

You can tell he’s been to the gym.

…but we’d settle for some clothing as opposed to none at all. The poor guy’s had to deal with the loss of his human form and has to walk around as an orange rock monster, he’s suffered enough.

Give Ben some dignity...and some pants.

Give Ben some dignity…and some pants.

10. We don’t want to see anything like this:

That still causes me to wake up in a cold sweat!

Nerdvana: The Four Freedoms Plaza

On this segment of Nerdvana, I’ll be talking about one of my all time favorite fictional home bases, the Fantastic Four’s current digs, the Four Freedoms Plaza.

It looks like a big number 4! That’s all, no more. Now that’s numerical!
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When I was a kid, I used to fantasize about living in a luxury shopping mall that was closed to the public (Hey, give me a break. I was seven!), but now, I think I’d prefer to live in a dwelling like this one. The Four Freedoms Plaza served as the Fantastic Four’s replacement headquarters after their original dwelling, the Baxter Building, was destroyed by Kristoff Vernard, the adoptive son of Doctor Doom.

Doctor-Doom

“Kristoff had a perfectly good reason for destroying that building! They wanted a background check and a drug test?? Preposterous!”

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The building’s outer walls and windows are constructed of advanced carbon-fiber composites, said to be nearly comparable in strength to diamond. Numerous small tubes run throughout the sections of the building occupied by the Fantastic Four, enabling Mister Fantastic to easily stretch to any floor or area. One elevator shaft has been deliberately left empty, to facilitate the Human Torch’s rapid flight to and from the upper floors. There are a set of “breakaway points” above the 50th and 70th stories with built-in explosive charges, designed to separate the upper floors from the civilian-occupied lower floors, should anyone try to lift the building into orbit.

Reed Richards

“We’re prepared for super villain attacks, inter dimensional portals opening up in sub space and alien invasions, but when Ben discovers that we’re all out of Twinkies, now that’s an emergency!”

 

The title of the building comes from a Franklin D. Roosevelt speech urging the Congress of the United States to enter World War II. In it Roosevelt outlined the four freedoms the world would enjoy if it united together to defeat the Axis Power:

  1. Freedom of speech
  2. Freedom of worship
  3. Freedom from want
  4. Freedom from fear

Of the 100 story building:

  • Floors 1 through 50 belong to the former tenants of the Baxter Building (e.g. Quasar).
  • Floors 51-70 are “buffer floors”, where the tenants do not have 99 year leases. Reed has left this space available in case the team expands or grows and needs more space.
  • Floors 71-100 serve as the headquarters for the team. The layout of the floors is essentially the same as that of the Baxter Building.
  • Floor 71 is a reception area where the team’s robot Roberta acts as both a receptionist and a guardian for the rest of the building.
  • Floor 72 acts as an inn where guests of the team can stay. Two suites maintained solely for aquatic visitors (such as Atlanteans) are accessible from pool entrances. These pools can also be used as aquatic conference rooms, and each suite has a different type of water: one fresh water and one salt water. A watertight elevator connects these suites with the river access tunnel on Sublevel 5.
  • Floors 73-75 are the team’s living quarters. Besides the four members of the team the floor also accommodated Alicia Masters (later revealed to be the Skrull Lyja), Crystal, Ms. Marvel II, Wyatt Wingfoot, and She-Hulk among others. There was also a kitchen, pantry, spa, two gyms (one for normal strength levels, the other for super-strong users), a large library, and a computerized classroom.
  • Floors 76 and 77 function as the team’s command center. Meeting rooms, communications stations, links to Starcore and other astronomical organizations, and a computerized medical station are here.
  • Floors 78-80 are storage for miscellaneous supplies. These floors serve as future expansion space and as a buffer in case of a disaster in Reed’s laboratory. Alicia claimed a section of 78 as a studio for the times she stayed in the building.
  • Floors 81-99 act as Reed’s laboratory and storage for his equipment. There is an identical workstation on each floor, enabling Reed to work on any floor. The workstation consists of computer terminals, communications console, and mechanical fabricators. None of these workstations is located overhead any other workstation and no three of them are in a straight line. This minimizes the risk of several stations being destroyed in a battle. The workstations were linked to each other and to a similar console in the Richards’s home.
  • Floors 90 and 91 contains the Negative Zone Portal. The Portal is in a heavily armored room with walls of strongly reinforced material.
  • Floors 98 and 99 serve as warehouse and machine shops. They support the hangar on 100 and act as a buffer to absorb damage from possible hangar disasters. Fuel tanks for the FF’s vehicles are on 99.
  • Floor 100 is the FF’s hangar. It fills the space under the four immense fours that top the building.
“I’ve been known to crash at the Four Freedoms Plaza on one or more occasions. I’ve also smashed the place a couple of times. I have anger issues.”
 
I feel I should give honorable mention to Marvel Universe’s Helicarrier. the reason why I didn’t mention it here is because the Helicarrier, while undoubtedly awesome, serves as an HQ. It’s a base of operation, not living quarters, but hey, the Helicarrier freakin’ flies!
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“You know, I had Stark Industries design my own Helicarrier. It was red and gold. My colors. Yeah, it was damaged by the Red Hulk, but I just built another one. It’s good to be rich.”


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“Come visit the spacious, luxurious Four Freedoms Plaza today! No weirdos, please.”

 

The Retro Bin: Fred and Barney Meet The Thing (1979)

It’s time for another segment of The Retro Bin. Saturday mornings in the 1970s has brought us some pretty way out concepts. Marvel Comics owned the rights to several Hanna-Barbera franchises at the time and was publishing comic books based on them, including The Flintstones. This in turn lead to one of the What-the-what-est titles in animation history, Hanna-Barbera’s Fred and Barney Meet The Thing.

Fred and Barney Meet The Thing was a 60 minute Saturday morning cartoon which ran on NBC from September 8th to December 1st, 1979. The show’s title was misleading, as there was no episode in which Fred and Barney actually meet The Thing. In fact, the characters never appeared on screen together except in the shows’ opening title sequence and the wraparounds which aired between shorts. The former of which can be seen here. Apologies in advance for the poor video quality:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2w8xj5_fred-barney-meet-the-thing-intro_fun
I’m not going to talk much about the Fred and Barney part of the show, primarily because it’s nothing that everyone doesn’t already know. It was basically The New Fred and Barney Show,which ran on NBC a few months earlier. Yep, it’s The Flintstones. The modern Stone Age shtick. Fred schemes. Barney does the sidekick thing. Yadda, yadda, yadda. You know the drill. The Thing segments are more noteworthy because of how nutty the shows’ concept was. Initially, I thought, “Hey. Hanna-Barbera is making a cartoon starring The Thing. That could be good.” Was it a new series about the Fantastic Four? Nope. Was it a television version of Marvel’s Two-in-One comic book series in which Ben Grimm teams up with a different Marvel character every issue? Nope. It’s a series which featured the ever lovin’ blue eyed powerhouse surviving high school shenanigans!

Loki WTF

 
 
 
OK, here’s the setup: Test pilot Ben Grimm seeks the help of his scientist friend Dr. Harkness to find a way to restore him to his human form. The scientist experiments on Ben and does turn him human, but not in his test pilot form, but rather in the body of a skinny, scrawny American teenager called “Benjy” Grimm. However, Benjy does now have the ability to switch back and forth from human to rock form at will courtesy of a “Thing Ring” (actually 2 rings, one on each hand) which Benjy would clasp together and chant “Thing Ring, do your thing!” Interestingly, Benji lost his Jimmy Durante style mode of speaking while in human form.
 
Peter Parker…whoops, I mean, Benjy attended Centerville High School getting into Archie-style misadventures along with his school chums. The popular and somewhat shallow girl Betty, her wealthy boyfriend Ronald Radford, who was just as snooty and uppity as he was rich, Betty’s kid sister Kelly (whom I must admit to kind of liking. She was very cute) who was also the only other person besides her father, the aforementioned Dr. Harkness who knew his secret, The Yancy Street Gang (Spike, the diminutive leader with a Napoleon complex, tall, skinny, gangly, sunglasses wearing Stretch and Turkey, the big dumb guy who resembled a modern day version of Zonk from the Bronto Bunch. Perhaps he’s Zonk’s descendant), here reduced to being a 3 member Bronto Bunch instead of being a dangerous street gang, and their scatterbrained, giggling teacher Ms. Twilly.

Yeah, this is precisely what comes to mind when I think of The Thing from Marvel Comics.

 
You’re probably wondering what happened to Reed Richards, Susan Storm-Richards and Johnny Storm. Well, you’ll have to keep on wondering because we never found out. The Fantastic Four never appeared on the series, nor did Ben ever mention being part of a team. You have to wonder why H-B felt the need to change so much. Did they think that if the show resembled the comics too much that kids wouldn’t take it seriously?
 
Between segments were wraparounds in which the characters would indulge in telling bad jokes. As previously stated, this was the only part of the show aside from the opening titles in which the Flintstones cast would interact with the Thing cast. Some examples of these would be:
 
The Thing: Hey, Fred. Is it true that you have trouble making up your mind?
 
Fred: Well, yes and no.
 
or
 
Turkey: Hey, Spike. How come you won’t let Stretch an’ me go to the zoo wit’ you’s?
 
Spike: No way! If they want you, they can come an’ get you!
 
or
 
Barney: Hey, Ms. Twilly, how come you’re standing outside with your purse open?
 
Ms. Twilly: I heard that there was going to be a change in the weather!
 

“Don’t quit your day job, Bubbula!”

 For the 1979-1980 season, the show was expanded to 90 minutes with recycled episodes of HB’s The New Shmoo added to the lineup and the shows’ title changed to Fred and Barney Meet The Shmoo, although the Thing segments were still part of the show. The Shmoo would return in the “Bedrock Cops” segments of The Flintstone Comedy Show (1980).
 
shmoo
 
“Hanna-Barbera really thought that I would fit in living in Bedrock with the cast of The Flintstones? What were those guys smoking?”
 
Fred and Barney Meet The Thing was one of the strangest SatAM series to come down the pike, but at least we know that no network executive would ever try to mess with popular a comic book super hero character in this fashion nowadays.
 
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“Actually, I’ve been toying with this idea for a new series where Ben Grimm travels around the country solving mysteries along with 2 kids and a dog…”
 

 

 

“IT’S CLOBBERIN’ TIME!!!”

What follows are the sound effects of a network executive being beaten senseless by an orange rock monster. You don’t want to see this. It isn’t pretty.